Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Just a few "follow up" thoughts


Just a couple of quick thoughts here.

Padrone and i were discussing my posts of yesterday, and He said something that made me think. He often does, actually - lol.

He said that topping from the bottom is not the issue of a submissive or slave at all. It's a Dominant's issue. She can't do what he doesn't allow, and, especially in the beginning of a relationship, it is natural to push, to test and see just what the Dom is "made of"....rest assured, He will be pushing as well.

But if he allows her to dictate things in the relationship that he wants to control, that's his own fault. She is finding limits, just as he does when he tests her stated physical/emotional limits, or has her do things to test her level of submission.

And also, what one Dom considers topping from the bottom may be laughed off by another. That's a very subjective concept, contrary to what some folks would try to have us believe.

The other thing i wanted to say was that....as i mentioned in a comment to spirited's comment on my post regarding the "gift of submission"....(say that 3 times really fast!)....do the Dominants who would try to convince their sub/slaves that their only worth comes from them....do they LOOK for worthless women in the first place?

i really don't get it. That's a totally illogical leap for me. The only thing i can even remotely come up with to explain that twisted mentality is that maybe they look for those who exhibit the least "slave like" behaviors, and then tell them they're worthless and must change their personalities to become a slave, and that the only reason they have any worth as a slave is because of them.

That's really twisted, in my opinion, and absolutely demeaning to women in general, and to their slaves in particular.

If she was attractive enough to catch your eye, why do you want to change her so dramatically?

If she didn't have a pleasing personality, why did you look twice at her?

i don't get it. Women are far more than slaves, we have lives outside being slave, although we will have our Masters in our minds and hearts constantly, we do have lives outside the confines of the M/s part of our relationship. That's a fact of life, and one that obviously some people choose not to acknowledge.

That's alright, but i find it extremely immature, irresponsible, and a sign of severe inexperience for one to act that way. It is as if someone can't differentiate between fantasy and reality, or chooses not to accept that he can't live out his fantasies - "it just takes the right girl". Yeah. Um. Sure.

i think i'm done with that thought. i hope i am at least!

Padrone, thank You for always cutting right to the core of the issue, and helping me to clarify my thoughts. i always appreciate Your insights and opinions, even if i don't always express them. i love You, Padrone. i am Yours.

4 comments:

turiya said...

I honestly don't know if they "pick" slaves like that. I'm not in their mind (nor do I want to be) so I can only guess... and my belief is that some of them just don't care about women. Maybe they even despise women in a way... maybe they had a woman (their mother, aunt, neighbor... whatever) in their life that treated them badly, humiliated, abused or neglected them and this is their way of getting even or dealing with their own unresolved issues.

Whatever the case 1) I don't think they are true dominants and 2) I really don't believe they care in the slightest about the girl in their care. It's all a power play to them. Like I've said previously, they're using the lifestyle as a way to further their own agenda. Maybe without the lifestyle they would have ended up a serial rapist or something... who knows.

It all comes down to their need to satisfy their craving for power.

~spirited

schiava said...

I was being a bit facetious with that remark - lol.

"Something" attracts these men to these women, but as you said - there is something about the men themselves that turns on women as soon as they have them in their clutches. If they were attracted in the first place, what changed? And if they weren't, why bother?

That's the bit I don't get. Padrone says too many folks are caught up in doing things "by the book" in terms of D/s. I guess some folks let it take over their lives to the extent that their roles control them - both Dominant and submissive - and anything that isn't "by the book" is unacceptable. A totally romanticized view of D/s, in my opinion, and has nothing to do with reality at all.

Oh well, I'm glad and grateful for the relationship I have, as I am sure you couldn't tell already!

Anonymous said...

mouse at a Slave's tale wrote about topping from the bottom a while ago and my response was the same as your Master. That is a dominant issue, I agree 100%, I also liked your comment on it being subjective.

As to your other point it is not just dominant males that do that. Think of the number of vanilla women who marry a man and then immediately start trying to change him. Whatever the reason and I am sure I do not know it, the idea that you can substantially change someone is a recipe for disaster.

schiava said...

Sir J, i did not mean to ignore your comment. i posted a comment, but since i have dialup i guess it didn't actually POST.

Anyway, what you said is valid, and i think it is probably very comparable, except in one way. There seem to be some Dominants (men or women, i just typically speak in terms of maleDom, femsub, because that is what i live and relate to), who *look* for submissives with the intention of changing them.

They don't seem to like anything about them after they have collared them, no matter what attracted them in the first place, and make them feel worthless or unworthy of the collar they wear unless they change in various ways, sometimes pretty drastic ways.

i guess i'm lucky in that Padrone liked me from the beginning, and while i have changed, very very few things have come from him directly. None of them drastic personality changes, or even drastic behavior changes (except trying not to say "okay"...that is
HARD!)i'm spoiled by having a wonderful Master, what can i say? :D